Apr 23, 2009, 8:13 pm · #1
soo my teacher is in the process of chopping up a s110 and he asked me if i wanted the tranny.i was wondering if it would fit my 86 200sx.
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Apr 23, 2009, 8:15 pm · #2
NEED CA BELLHOUSING AND A S12 S110 IS B TRANS EQUIPPED. FIND A S12 TRANS THERE'S A C TRANS S12 AT THE YARDS WE CAN PULL YO
EDIT: ACTUALLY ALL THE S12'S AT THE YARDS ARE C TRANS AND ONE B TRANS CAR. THERE IS A BLUE MK1.5 COUPE I RAPED YESTERDAY.
May 7, 2009, 7:29 pm · #3
ok guys!
turns out Quaife has two different LSD's for the R180 diff.
Here's what they told me...
Dear Mark,
Thank you for your enquiry.
We manufacture a 110mm and 115mm crownwheel ATB differential for the Nissan R180 240-280Z
QDF4L is the 110mm crownwheel version
QDF5L is the 115mm crownwheel version
The price for either unit is £645.00 + VAT + Shipping.
I enclose the technical drawings for your information.
If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact me.
Kind regards,
Peter Drake
May 7, 2009, 9:59 pm · #4
Some of us knew about this. I'm sure there's a forum post on it somewhere.
The thing about this is that you are paying $1200 for an lsd on a $1200 car.
May 7, 2009, 10:44 pm · #5
thats awesome! i didn't know about this.
is it 1 way 1.5 way 2way??
empodicles: that depends if your someone who put a crap ton of work into your car. i'm in the process of doing a full rebuild on a ka24de+t yada yada and this would be worth it for me to not have to swap rear subframes
May 8, 2009, 12:16 am · #6
Jackalopethats awesome! i didn't know about this.
is it 1 way 1.5 way 2way??
empodicles: that depends if your someone who put a crap ton of work into your car. i'm in the process of doing a full rebuild on a ka24de+t yada yada and this would be worth it for me to not have to swap rear subframes
This is very true, and I have been told that the R200 with the LSD that comes in the 240SX SE, is garbage. Many people who own 240SX's with LSD have said that they are complete crap.....
if you want a REAL LSD,...you're gonna pay the same price anyways... no matter what car you buy.
LSD is expensive, and it's worth it.
Even for my Neon, a local, or USA company will cost me up to $1500 CAD for an LSD,
so you can expect to pay out the ass no matter what.
May 8, 2009, 1:00 am · #7
hmmm looks like i will be saving now. I would like to know if it is 1.5 or 2 way?
May 8, 2009, 1:44 am · #8
Yeah Mark the stock s13 vlsd is garbage. After about 60-80k miles of normal use the fluid that transfers power between the wheels basically wears out making it an open diff.
As for everyone wondering if this R180 lsd is a 1.5way or 2way diff you might wanna read again. The qualife is a torsen diff. It is not a clutch type. Torsen diffs are generally 1 way only and have no lockup under deceleration only acceleration. This type of diff is constantly biasing torque between the rear wheels and is never "locked" like a clutch type differential.
May 8, 2009, 5:17 am · #9
RedneckYeah Mark the stock s13 vlsd is garbage. After about 60-80k miles of normal use the fluid that transfers power between the wheels basically wears out making it an open diff.
As for everyone wondering if this R180 lsd is a 1.5way or 2way diff you might wanna read again. The qualife is a torsen diff. It is not a clutch type. Torsen diffs are generally 1 way only and have no lockup under deceleration only acceleration. This type of diff is constantly biasing torque between the rear wheels and is never "locked" like a clutch type differential.
in otherwords, there's nothing wrong with getting one of these LSD's, they'd be good for auto-X, and drag.
and AGAIN, if you want a real LSD, you WILL be spending big cash. There's no such thing as a cheap LSD. ...if your car CAME with LSD, it's garbage.
These are actually a pretty good deal. and If I ever get the cash, I'll get one, because,..well, I can keep my rear diff.
May 8, 2009, 6:19 am · #10
Well then now that i know this im just going to weld my diff and i will be good to go
May 8, 2009, 7:27 am · #11
my whole build so far included swap and suspension is 800 dollars
i coudlnt imagine buying a lsd lol
May 8, 2009, 12:56 pm · #12
Mark04in otherwords, there's nothing wrong with getting one of these LSD's, they'd be good for auto-X, and drag.Yeah they are ideal for grip racing and drag. The torsen differentials were designed with grip in mind. When the torsen senses that one wheel has less overall traction then the other while cornering it will shift power to the wheel with more grip with generally a 3:1 or 4:1 torque bias ratio (the wheel with the most grip will get 75-80% of the power and the other wheel 25-20% under the torque bias ratios I just listed). This is why they are not ideal for drifting. The torsen is always fighting to regain grip by biasing torque to the non slipping wheel with more traction. We all know if you are drifting that is exactly the opposite of what you want. As D-sport suggested a welded diff would be a much better choice for a strictly drift car since no matter what it is always 50/50 to each wheel. You can still power slide out of corners and do smaller drifts in a torsen without it fighting you too much (especially in wet conditions) but for maintaining longer drifts the torsen design is definitely working against you.
May 13, 2009, 1:21 pm · #13
Do you think that the S110 CLUTCH PEDAL would fittt our carsss?
May 13, 2009, 6:00 pm · #14
anyoneee knowww?
May 13, 2009, 6:14 pm · #15
KDL323anyoneee knowww?
ddude does it have disk brakes??!
May 13, 2009, 6:24 pm · #16
it didd but my teacherr choppsd itt upp i was too late to claimm itt.
May 13, 2009, 11:50 pm · #17
there is another major drawback too. Which is that if one wheel looses all grip you have a open diff. On any sort of dirt a quaife will just act as though it is open. A buddy of mine was using it (helical S15 LSD) and he couldn't keep traction through some corners at the track due to this issue. Now he has a Nismo and it has all gone away. I have experienced the same in the winter in my sentra, and occassionally on the track. But like what was said above these factory LSD's are not as good as aftermarket...but you can only change so much with helical. They are what they are.
May 14, 2009, 1:35 am · #18
what a shame i guess i'll just stick with my welded diff.
i got a pretty damn good weld job anyway. should hold up for quite a while. (i hope)
May 14, 2009, 2:35 am · #19
Alex Frostthere is another major drawback too. Which is that if one wheel looses all grip you have a open diff. On any sort of dirt a quaife will just act as though it is open. A buddy of mine was using it (helical S15 LSD) and he couldn't keep traction through some corners at the track due to this issue. Now he has a Nismo and it has all gone away. I have experienced the same in the winter in my sentra, and occassionally on the track. But like what was said above these factory LSD's are not as good as aftermarket...but you can only change so much with helical. They are what they are.Yeah that is basically the Achilles heel of the torsen design. I have heard there are some newer torsens that have eliminated this problem by installing a mechanism that keeps it preloaded all the time.
May 14, 2009, 3:22 am · #20
Speaking from experience (R200 Quaife), I can say that they take a little more chassis tuning to get them to work to their potential. The S12 doesn't have the most rigid chassis - combine that with a soft suspension, or even a mildly stiff suspension, and you're going to get enough weight tranfer in a corner to not have enough grip on the inside rear tire to let the torque sensing diff do it's job. If you can overcome those shortcomings - stiff front swaybar, stiffer springs and a cage or serious chassis bracing - the torque sensing diff will outperform a clutch type. Not to mention, a mechanical diff doesn't have any wear parts. For most people though, a clutch type is probably the better way to go.
May 14, 2009, 3:34 pm · #21
is the differential in a 1988 (non-turbo) able to swap out with a 1985 (non-turbo) for a nissan 200SX. I have the '85 and I found a '88 at the salavage yard. so are they compatable?
May 14, 2009, 4:28 pm · #22
If by non turbo, you don't mean SE with the VG30E, then yes. If both cars have the CA20E and it's indeed a 85, which has the IRS, then both cars have the R180 and it'll bolt right up, using the same driveshaft an axles.
Tom
May 14, 2009, 5:51 pm · #23
tommyIf by non turbo, you don't mean SE with the VG30E, then yes. If both cars have the CA20E and it's indeed a 85, which has the IRS, then both cars have the R180 and it'll bolt right up, using the same driveshaft an axles.This guy speaks the truth ^^
Tom
All ca20e's came with the r180 and the SE and turbos came with the r200. The only oddball is the 84 with the ca20e which came with a solid axle rear end and the h190 rear. The 84 turbos all came with IRS and the r200.
May 15, 2009, 12:33 am · #24
RedneckThis guy speaks the truth ^^
All ca20e's came with the r180 and the SE and turbos came with the r200. The only oddball is the 84 with the ca20e which came with a solid axle rear end and the h190 rear. The 84 turbos all came with IRS and the r200.
The H-190 was used from July '81 on, in the S110 for use with the 'new' Z22E motor and was used up until November '84 with the CA20E in the S12. Starting in December the R-180 was used with the CA20E.
May 15, 2009, 1:59 am · #25
its a 4 cyn as is the 1988 one at the salvage yard. so I'm assuming they would work then? I'm not as knowledgable as you guys are but I'm trying to learn.
May 15, 2009, 3:29 am · #26
yep, it certainly would work 100%.
If you see a huge engine or a turbo in the engine compartment, it wont work, but if you see an engine that is identical to your own besides the color of some parts, it will work as a direct swap.
May 16, 2009, 7:31 pm · #27
KDL323Do you think that the S110 CLUTCH PEDAL would fittt our carsss?
They are different shape and different pt. number. The '86 is bent with a bow over to the right while the 81 has a wow to the left and may hit the '86 floor.
As for the tranny, the '81 would need the 56mm counter bearing replaced with the 62mm to fit the CA 'bell' opening for it. It's doubly moot now as the 14mm 1st/2nd shift rod in the '81 would flop around inside the 16mm hole for it in the CA bell. I suppose a round 1mm shim could be made and fitted. If it makes you feel better it would have been a lot of work for a weaker transmission.
May 16, 2009, 7:45 pm · #28
thanksss. for the infooo.i appreciate it.
May 18, 2009, 1:51 pm · #29
I swapped out the differential in my 1985 200sx with the 1988 and it works great. that noise is gone and I just wanted to say thank you to anyone who replied.
May 18, 2009, 2:10 pm · #30
No problem, that's why we are here after all!
Glad to hear everything is fine