Ok, so i have been looking around for a cheap/free engine that i can swap with my ca20e..
The only one i found, is my friends 350 v8 from his truck. He is willing to give it to me for free.
Has anybody ever put a v8 into a s12?
I know i dont need 400hp+ for drifting, but im going to collage next year, and need a better engine.
Is it possible to fit one in the bay?
and to run exhaust pipes that are big enough?
I have a 2.5 inch pipe, and it barley fits.
i would need it to run out to the side of the car.
anyway, is it possible? and has anybody done it?
(i would put a v6, but this is the only engine i can find for free)
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I have a 2.5" in my car. It fits but barely. I have like five additional hangers and it still clangs alot.
Premo was the guy who started on putting a sbf in his S12. Don't know that he finished.
If you don't have a welder ,some extra cash, a whole alotta determination and and alotta time, I'd suggest you don't try it. Even if you do, I still think you should just buy a Mustang. The reason for building customs is to make somthing they don't already have. They already have a semi small rwd v8; The Mustang.
The SBC would be more difficult than the sbf.
Alotta fab work on that. Chances are floor work to. $$$$ not real bad, but still $$$$
JonB
I have a 2.5" in my car. It fits but barely. I have like five additional hangers and it still clangs alot.
Premo was the guy who started on putting a sbf in his S12. Don't know that he finished.
If you don't have a welder ,some extra cash, a whole alotta determination and and alotta time, I'd suggest you don't try it. Even if you do, I still think you should just buy a Mustang. The reason for building customs is to make somthing they don't already have. They already have a semi small rwd v8; The Mustang.
The SBC would be more difficult than the sbf.
Alotta fab work on that. Chances are floor work to. $$$$ not real bad, but still $$$$
The last thing i will ever do is buy a mustang. lol
I like to look of em, but there wayy to popular. just like corvettes.
at least where i live, if you drive down the street, you will see about 10 mustangs, 5 corvettes, and about 10 camaros, in about 5 minutes.
Thats with no exaggeration.
back to the topic, lol.
I have a whole lot of determination and some extra cash. no welder yet, but plan on buying one.
wtf r u talking about i had 3 inch pipe, and it was straight?
just it was lower in the rear cause i had my pip go under my solid axle
David B
wtf r u talking about i had 3 inch pipe, and it was straight?
just it was lower in the rear cause i had my pip go under my solid axle
lol, yeah, if you go under it.
but thats not my point
google info on v8 swaps into S13s and S14s. The process is nearly identical in a s12. very similar chassis
IggyEGuana+1......the popular v8 swap in s13/s14 now is a LS1. A LS1 in a s12 would be pretty sick
google info on v8 swaps into S13s and S14s. The process is nearly identical in a s12. very similar chassis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6o-bl1Vfxw...feature=related
Ya, LS1 = Win. Probably would even just use the S13 mount kit.
FYI, I have a full turbo-back 3" exhaust, it fits in all the OE exhaust path with out rattling on the body. It's a tight fit and needs a little creative work in some spots, but it's no problem fitting it.
I personally prefer the all aluminum 278hp vh45de. You can get them for dirt cheap since they are very strong and therefore in excess plus mazworx makes a full conversion kit for installation into the s13 which should work in the s12 as well. Either way as Iggy said lots of info online about v8 swaps into s13's which is where you will want to look. Probably not much info here considering how few v8 swaps are even attempted haha.
seishuku
Ya, LS1 = Win. Probably would even just use the S13 mount kit.
FYI, I have a full turbo-back 3" exhaust, it fits in all the OE exhaust path with out rattling on the body. It's a tight fit and needs a little creative work in some spots, but it's no problem fitting it.
Got me there. I had my exhaust bent then went from an R180 to the R200, thats pretty much is where it clangs on mine.
Redneck
I personally prefer the all aluminum 278hp vh45de. You can get them for dirt cheap since they are very strong and therefore in excess plus mazworx makes a full conversion kit for installation into the s13 which should work in the s12 as well.
+1
The VH series engines were the basis of Nissans racing program in the 90s. They are all over the junkyards out here. Just go back every week til u find one that just came in and isnt destroyed.
Yank it
take it home
pull it apart
freshen it up
Get a z32 5 speed and mazworx tranny kit
fab mounts and headers
slap it in the s12
wire it
fire it
have serious fun
Check out the VH/VK section on NICO.
+1 for VH swap
Wasn't there a VH swap here before?
I didn't know the Z32 trans would work.
At risk of thread jacking, What are jankyard VHs going for? What about Z32 five-speeds with flywheels?
Ok people, he's looking for a CHEAP small-block V8 (a la Ford or Chevy), so let's keep the discussion on that. VH, LS1... not in his interests.
Arro
Ok people, he's looking for a CHEAP small-block V8 (a la Ford or Chevy), so let's keep the discussion on that. VH, LS1... not in his interests.
xxstreetbikesxxHe said cheap or free he never said it had to specifically be a small block ford or chevy v8. He simply said that a 350 v8 was what a friend of his could give him for free. I don't know how much an ls1 costs but as Iggy stated as well vh45de's are very cheap and very strong which is why I suggested it. Either way trying to install any v8 into an s12 with a limited budget is generally not a good idea. There is a reason the ka24e/ka24de in north america is the most popular upgrade engine for the usually financially strapped s12 owner.
Ok, so i have been looking around for a cheap/free engine that i can swap with my ca20e..
The only one i found, is my friends 350 v8 from his truck. He is willing to give it to me for free.
Has anybody ever put a v8 into a s12?
RedneckQFT lol
Either way trying to install any v8 into an s12 with a limited budget is generally not a good idea.
just answring the question.. a VH45DE (or Ford 5.0) at a junkyard will cost whtever the yard charges for complete engines. Some yards charge more for large engines like V8s than they do for small engines like 4 bangers. my local yard charges 250 for "complete" engine plus a core charge of iirc 50 bucks. That applies to any engine from honda single cam to Caddy Northstar V8. The term "complete" can be a little misleading though cuz they sometimes charge extra for stuff like harness and ECU. those are pretty expensive themselves. Transmission costs 125+core as well. These prices are here in vegas and to be honest this is one of the worst areas for junkyards in the country. shit is WAAAAAAY too expensive from the yards here. In some yards u can wheel and deal a bit. Here they dont budge on ANY price or let u slide on ANYTHING. yards here suck lol. further east everything is much much cheaper and u can haggle. West coast has similar prices as vegas but you get better selection and they're stuff is better taken care of in most cases. and u can haggle. at least u can at the Pick-N-Pull in Rancho Cordova. I miss that yard.
in sacto its 200 for engine alone and 60 for ecu and wiring harness intact. not to hefty but not too cheap. and for folks claiming that budget v8 build wont work.....just get the engine mounts made and fit that fucker in first. then work your way up from there. the fitment will be the difficult part.
thats pretty good. they charge core? I travel back to norcal for family so I might grab a VH there when I'm set to do it.
IMO a domestic V8 would be cheaper than a VH. A toyota 1UZFE v8 (recent thread here) might be cheap as well. The VH has the disadvantage of having no manual trans options other than a Z32 trans. U gotta source the trans (not readily available) and then u gotta get the adaptor from Mazworx and have the bellhousing milled. Then u gotta either fab headers or buy Mazworx's headers cuz theres NO OEM exhast that fits and clears S chassis steering and firewall. Other mods to be done as well like frame rail clearancing and coolant neck delete but those are more minor cost wise and might be on-par with other v8 swaps.
I think front sump oil pan is gonna be the deciding factor. gotta be front sump. the thing with domestics is theres SO MUCH AFTERMARKET ITS NUTS!!! lol. u can convert from rear sump to front sump. I'd say you can buy pretty much everything needed to make it fit a s chassis. just do a lot of test fitting and grab a Summit catalog lol
IggyEGuanaIMO a domestic V8 would be cheaper than a VH. A toyota UZF v8 (recent thread here) might be cheap as well. The VH has the disadvantage of having no manual trans options other than a Z32 trans. U gotta source the trans (not readily available) and then u gotta get the adaptor from Mazworx and have the bellhousing milled. Then u gotta either fab headers or buy Mazworx's headers cuz theres NO OEM exhast that fits and clears S chassis steering and firewall. Other mods to be done as well like frame rail clearancing and coolant neck delete but those are more minor cost wise and might be on-par with other v8 swaps.This is a good point but I would imagine some of these problems could potentially be encountered with other domestic v8's as well. As you stated before I think it would be best if the OP researched different v8 swaps into the s13 to get a general idea of what would be the easiest (and therefore most likely cheapest if the motor set itself is inexpensive) to bolt in.
I've been wanting to do a v8 swap to my coupe I'm really wanting to do a ls1 swap but I'm not that baller. So I think I'm going to do a 5.0 swap to it and supercharge it.
I remember a guy maybe 5 years ago that swaped a 350 sbc in a s-12 for drag purpose, think he was using a 2 speed powerglide auto trans... think that guy was overseas, like australia of kiwi land... i'll search for it, but the thread might have been deleted in the 2 or 3 cs12 upgrade of the last couple of years... it was on cs12 if my memory serves me right.
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here it is... the link does work to cardomain but you have to copy/paste it... I don't know if that car was ever finished....
http://club-s12.org/v3/index.php?topic=8484.0
here is the link...
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/829226
ls1 or vh. nuff said.
I dont think running a carbd 350 is a wise idea.... heavy... fugly... poopy... but if its free, get it, and put it in like a 70s corolla wagon.
vh45de are "known" to have oil problem when handled like a sports car should be handled, not like in a big 4 door grandma grocery getter... as far as a carbed 350 goes, it'll be a shit load of custom fab to get it there, but same goes with all v8 and being free means that for the price of a vh45, you can slap alloy head and a nice intake and end up weighting maybe a hundred pound heavier then a stock ka24... those bitch are pretty heavy for a 4 cyl anyways... I say if you want a challenge and like to bitch from one fitment problem to the next, do it!, i'd probably do it if I were you....
Wow, lots of negativity about the V8 swaps. Who here actually has experience with V8 swap costs, particularly when it comes ot SBC's or SBF's? I'm not saying anyone is wrong, I just want to kinda put people into perspective here. If you don't know for sure, then you don't know do you?
A SBC can be swapped into almost anything for under 1k if you're doing your own fab work on the mounts. Even the 5.0 swap into a miata is extremely affordable, and that's a more expensive motor to work with from the get go. One of the big things that makes these swaps cheap is that most parts you'll need can be bought out of a catalog for cheaper than you could probably make it yourself, like exhaust manifolds.
With aluminum heads and intake you can get them in running shape well under 500 pounds, and the bulk of that weight is much lower than most other engine options. And with those little go fast bits you'll probably be over 300hp with ease. Going carb'ed makes them extremely simple on the wiring end. Only need like 3 wires to make the thing run and charge the battery (12V to dizzy, electronic choke wire, alternator BAT cable). This makes them weight/wise comparable to a heavy 4 cylinder, with as good of handling potential as almost any 4 cylinder. The extra 75 pounds or so it adds over the lighter 4 cylinders is closer to the ground and easily able to be compensated for when it comes to chassis tuning at the track.
As long as they FIT into the bay, it's a cheap swap. And I KNOW the S12 can't be THAT tight. So here's a rough cost list (off the top of my head, so forgive me when I forget something)
Motor ~ $0-200
Trans ~ $50-150
Mounts ~ $30 in plate steel
Exhaust Manifolds ~ $250
Exhaust (from shop most likely) ~ $150
Driveshaft ~ $100
Odds and ends (throttle adaption, bolts, etc) $15-100
That's a max total of a whopping $980 if you're budget shopping and being smart. This also requires you either know someone with a welder or own a welder. Most of us have a friend with a welder that would do the work for the price of some beer.
I know i'm from the Z arena, where we have larger engine bays which are easier to do swaps in, but even in the older z cars a SBC swap can be done for literally almost nothing. I've seen it done for under $300 total. That's the appeal. Dirt cheap power with plenty of potential for a light car.
Now, to play my own devils advocate, these swaps aren't for everyone. A V8, especially a carb'ed one, has a very particular nature/character. They're monstrous to drive on a daily basis with a lot of fine tuning, and they're generally loud and obnoxious. But they're a lot of fun in their own way. You can do many other engine swaps for not a whole lot more money and have a completely different car in the end. So any person considering an engine swap needs to really consider what they're about to do. Don't just choose something because it's there and available, unless you're that type of personality and don't mind doing all that work that might just be done over again with a new motor in a few years.
And as to the VH and 1UZ motors, they're awesome. But the manual trans conversion alone is crazy expensive. I'd have a 1UZ in my Z if I could put a manual trans on it for under $500, but it simply can't be done. If you have that 5k budget for a build, sure, consider them. But I wouldn't do a 2k build and spend a third or more just get a trans on it.
I will put a 350 in an s12 one day. I think it would be bad ass and cheap.
i see your ls1 and raise it an ls2 =]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUs-jDsh49I
^ nice lol , i got an old 300hp sbc 327 sitting in my dads garage maybe after i strip my mk1 of parts ill try to fab something lol it'd make a good yard beater lol
Ok, Well I am gonna do it. This Summer I am gonna grab my spare s12, and stuff a sbc in there. See what happens right?? Then I will document it and put it up here
Didn't xxstreetbikesxx recently drop from the site? Too bad... Collage (sic) can be hard on ones budget.
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IggyEGuana on 07:18:45 PM / 10-Jan-10
...Get a z32 5 speed and mazworx tranny kit...
...Check out the VH/VK section on NICO.
Man... $1200.00 for an adapter plate and headers? Jeez I thought Dave's VG headers were expensive. Christ! Good thing I have access to a lathe/mill and I will do my own headers thank you.
if anyone was still interested in this v8 swap, ive just put some photos up of my 1uz swap im doing at the moment..fits like a glove
i have a 400hp sbc(has maybe 10miles on the motor) just waiting, im going to swap into a s12 backed with a 4speed. sooner or later
but i need to clear out some projects first. ill post a build thread once i get to that point
Wolf Dilworth on 01:05:47 AM / 11-Feb-11Man... $1200.00 for an adapter plate and headers? Jeez I thought Dave's VG headers were expensive. Christ! Good thing I have access to a lathe/mill and I will do my own headers thank you.no headers but other than that same shit as mazworx, but not as overpriced.
http://www.xcessivemanufacturing.com/ONLINESTORE.html?cid=47&step=2
there's a guy on a local forum here that bought a mazworx vh adapter plate and replicated it to sell for cheap as well.
I have stated a LS1 install. I have a build tread on this site..
its a 383 all forged with tvs 2300 supercharger on top. its not to far for finished, but have not done much work on it last year.
I got a new house, a new job and have other projects that needs to be done. I hope to get some time to get it finish before summer :sleezy:
Sorry to raise this from the dead, but I was wondering if theres any issues with clearing the steering shaft when you put a v8 in?
I found a 5.0 for really cheap, so I was thinking about picking it up, but if it takes a lot of custom work to get it to fit (IE modifying chassis and/or steering components), I'll just stick with trying to find a KA
if you make a custom exhaust manifold you will probably be fine..i used factory manifolds but shifted the rack over and got a shorter tierod end of the right hand side for my 1uz.
CONEKLR on 11:50:45 AM / 16-Feb-12Sorry to raise this from the dead, but I was wondering if theres any issues with clearing the steering shaft when you put a v8 in?
I found a 5.0 for really cheap, so I was thinking about picking it up, but if it takes a lot of custom work to get it to fit (IE modifying chassis and/or steering components), I'll just stick with trying to find a KA
just run shorty headers.. thats what im doing.. the oil pan is the hardest thing iv found so far.. just trying to find a front slump pan for a sbc is being a pain in the ass
i want to do this to my car: http://zilvia.net/f/chat/437053-lsx-z32-stock-tt-transmission.html
somebody tell me why it is a stupid idea.
could probably be even cheaper than a 1UZ?
its not a silly idea at all, fucking mean idea if u ask me.
Resurrecting the thread, 'cuz I have experience in radical engine swaps.
If I were to swap a V-8 into mine, I'd go for a 5.0 H.O. Several reasons, really, but mainly because of the engine height, location of ancillaries (dizzy, alternator, etc) and the injection setup is pretty much self-contained. Plus it's way lighter than an equivalent SBC. I did a 5.0 into FC3 RX-7 swap, and it fit beautifully. They also fit into Miatas with little modification (none external, viz. Monster Miata), so that should tell you something. For a car the weight of the S12, it makes more than enough power, and there are many performance parts available. Also, because the diz is on the front, you can push the engine way back into the bay for better weight distribution -- which suits the short T-5...
Transmission-wise, just go for the T-5. Early ones can be a little fragile, but later ones are built like tanks. Since they were also used in the S130 Turbos (bolted to an L28ET), there's a Nissan connection too. The T-5 is compact, light, almost infinitely variable in configuration and available just about anywhere from Mustangs and 280ZXs to pickup trucks. With the Monster Miata swaps, the shifter was actually in a better position than the stock unit. Pushing the engine/tranny combo further back should cure one annoyance with the S12: the stock shifter is too far away.
Upside here is that all the important parts can be sourced from one car. Find a wrecked Fox-body 5.0 and you have everything you need. There are a number of different oil pans as well, and some really nifty dry-sump setups for it in case you don't want to hack up your crossmember. If you want to go super-exotic while retaining stock short-block bits, there was once a flat-crank conversion available for them that changed the engine to a 180° firing order for that Ferrari sound and rev-ability. Might still be around.
And as I said, with the stock intake they're not very tall. Even with the GT40 heads the engine should fit under the stock hood, and with shorty tube headers and brown-top injectors that should give you around 300hp and 400-500 lb/ft of torque all day long while retaining everyday driveability.
When I swap out my CA20 next year, I'm seriously thinking of doing this swap. Shouldn't cost much more than doing the KA24DE, just more fabricating.
Rallymodeller on 03:08:10 AM / 31-Jul-12
Resurrecting the thread, 'cuz I have experience in radical engine swaps.
If I were to swap a V-8 into mine, I'd go for a 5.0 H.O. Several reasons, really, but mainly because of the engine height, location of ancillaries (dizzy, alternator, etc) and the injection setup is pretty much self-contained. Plus it's way lighter than an equivalent SBC. I did a 5.0 into FC3 RX-7 swap, and it fit beautifully. They also fit into Miatas with little modification (none external, viz. Monster Miata), so that should tell you something. For a car the weight of the S12, it makes more than enough power, and there are many performance parts available. Also, because the diz is on the front, you can push the engine way back into the bay for better weight distribution -- which suits the short T-5...
Transmission-wise, just go for the T-5. Early ones can be a little fragile, but later ones are built like tanks. Since they were also used in the S130 Turbos (bolted to an L28ET), there's a Nissan connection too. The T-5 is compact, light, almost infinitely variable in configuration and available just about anywhere from Mustangs and 280ZXs to pickup trucks. With the Monster Miata swaps, the shifter was actually in a better position than the stock unit. Pushing the engine/tranny combo further back should cure one annoyance with the S12: the stock shifter is too far away.
Upside here is that all the important parts can be sourced from one car. Find a wrecked Fox-body 5.0 and you have everything you need. There are a number of different oil pans as well, and some really nifty dry-sump setups for it in case you don't want to hack up your crossmember. If you want to go super-exotic while retaining stock short-block bits, there was once a flat-crank conversion available for them that changed the engine to a 180ÂÃ,° firing order for that Ferrari sound and rev-ability. Might still be around.
And as I said, with the stock intake they're not very tall. Even with the GT40 heads the engine should fit under the stock hood, and with shorty tube headers and brown-top injectors that should give you around 300hp and 400-500 lb/ft of torque all day long while retaining everyday driveability.
When I swap out my CA20 next year, I'm seriously thinking of doing this swap. Shouldn't cost much more than doing the KA24DE, just more fabricating.
i started swaping a small block chevy.. i had a hard time finding a oil pan.. also finding a cheap 4-5-6speed was really hard.. i hit hard times and sold the built motor.. iv been thinks about this alot latey(last 4 months).. 5.0 or even the 4.8 parts are really easy to find here.. 5 speed trans are all over crags for 200-300bucks.. but id do like you said but a whole car. then just sell the shell or strap it and get some money back.. from what iv seen mustang are front slump so already head of the game!