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Hi everyone.
so... i decided, at last, to make my own build thread.
i brought a 86' 200sx & wanna drift with this baby.
all the mods gonna be made by myself and some friends
i have no real mechanical knowledge so ill be asking a lot of Qs
with nothing more to say, heres the pic dump.
the car is a little rusty and in bad shape.
but, ill make it cute again, eventually xD
PUH-lease, dont hold back!, criticize, hate, comment, compliment.
Donk with those wheels lol looks like alot of work is headed towards you man
Do you know Pedro? He lives in the Dominican Republic, his car is one of the featured cars on the home page here... you should get in touch with him.
Car looks like it needs a lot of work but some of the roughest cars sometimes end up amazing..
Welcome to Club-S12. And yeah, I admit I don't like those wheels either :P Just sayin.
yes, i kinda sorta know who pedro is....
i have certainly seen his car, but we havent really spoken.
i'm trying to get in touch with him for info and help & all that jazz.
i kno the wheels are fugly xD
but i have developed a liking for them (dont ask why, i dont really know myself.)
and was considering painting them pink or some LOOK-AT-ME-I-NEED-ATTENTION color.
but, worry not, what i really want are some 15' meshies.
ANYWAYS, last weekend, i started working on the car, to see what else is there...
there a lot more than meets the eye.
- Both rear calipers are gone, brake lines cutted. one of the rear disk's also gone. (the previous owner Probably did it to do Burnouts) (*Primary Concern)
- One front disk has a huge crack. (*Primary Concern)
- the car has a lot of rust (*Terciary Concern)
- the car has an LPG system. (*Secondary Concern)
- SUSPENSION. (*Primary Concern)
- Welded Wheel studs (I was like WTF?!)
i have my first q:
- The car doesnt have an E-Brake, is that because i dont have rear brakes or is it because de e-brake is fucked up too?
Picture Dump:
PD: btw, feel free to correct my english, as i am "kinda" a grammar nazi myself.
the ebrake is part of the rear brakes, yep. Get those replaced and reconnect the cable.
after like three weeks without touching the car, this weekend i worked on it, mostly to get it running on gas...
so i checked the pump, and it works, so i was like erm gotta be the injectors,
i got them out cleaned em and they worked, some were clogged yes, but nothing that a Carb cleaner wouldnt fix.
after i cleaned them and all that jazz, i try to test them on the car and NOTHING,
not a single spray... so im thinking the problem must be in the harness.
the harness itself is a mess, a bunch of things cutted and unplugged so i dont really know what to look for.
is there some way someone could guide me in the right direction... with some kind of harness for dummies?
on another note: while i was working on it, two wheel STUDS fell off and the strut tower got fucked up.
EDIT: ill take pictures tomorow, to see if you help me out.
EDIT 2: I think i know what the problem is: here in the dominican republic, lpg systems are used a lot,
in order to use one of those they need to find a way to stop the fuel pump and injectors from working.
so they tend to cut/disconect a ground wire from somewhere. now i just need to find where.
i used a tester to check the voltage from the plug to the chassis and it was 12 v
now my question: is it supposed to be ALWAYS 12v or its gonna change between the two voltages?
like, the injectors are like on/off, on/off.... right?
picture dump coming soon.
heres the picture dump, that way you can have a remote idea of how much of a mess im into.
The "Workshop"
testing and dying trying xD
the REAL DEAL OV MESSINES!
Another MESS
Cutted Cables everywhere!
and unplugged plugs too
Sometimes even both
so i checked the injectors plugs and they have voltage, but the pulse is not coming from the computer.
im checking the efi wiring driagram to check eeveything off.
q: what would be the implications of trowing the injector lines from the ECU manually?
i know i ask a lot of very dumb q, sorry
You mean making new wires? Basically building your own harness... it's been done before, probably wouldn't be a bad idea.
i found out the computer had been a long time in diagnosis mode. can that fuck up the computer?
the computer doesnt seem to work.
thats when i decided that the swap was gonna happen sooner than i expected.
after a lot of researching i choose to go the SR because of the "easyness" of the swap. wanted to go KA but heard that it was one of the hardest swaps to our chassis. and as im not experienced with swaps i ran away from the idea. (wanna go KA in my sentra tho)
so i bought the engine already. read the threads about it and have an uncle whos gonna help me out. im actually deciding wether to keep the CA trans or go with the SR one. we gonna start working on it this weekend.
now that i have the engine im starting to think about suspension and brakes. and which path to go.
nice B14 on your second post 8)
KA swaps are just as hard as SR swaps the only difference is all the turbo stuffs. I would definitely recommend you use the SR/KA trans tho, its much stronger. But doesn't bolt up like the stock trans so it's up to you.
I_heart_VVL on 07:37:54 PM / 12-Dec-11nice B14 on your second post 8)
KA swaps are just as hard as SR swaps the only difference is all the turbo stuffs. I would definitely recommend you use the SR/KA trans tho, its much stronger. But doesn't bolt up like the stock trans so it's up to you.
fuck that...ive put my RB with a crapy boat whinch inside my s12! The CA was removed with bare hands... so a SR shouldnt that hard to get in ;-)
Yeah it won't be a big issue. There are a number of threads with pictures on custom mounts. It will be easier for you because your car came as a 5-speed, I have pictures in my thread on how to use some cutting and some washers to make a trans mount that works:
http://club-s12.org/v3/index.php?topic=21766.0
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Nice
d_k_jose_s12 on 08:33:28 AM / 17-Dec-11Nice
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Estoy celoso yo quiero el sr perp I'm doing the ka swap
Yo te mando el ka y tumandame el sr hehe=D
Nice build so far man
im sleepy ill edit this post later...
ill just leave these pictures here and go to sleep. :yes:
Arro on 02:52:09 PM / 15-Dec-11Yeah it won't be a big issue. There are a number of threads with pictures on custom mounts. It will be easier for you because your car came as a 5-speed, I have pictures in my thread on how to use some cutting and some washers to make a trans mount that works:
i really like the tiled driveway and the air cooled vw is great it looks like you are on your way for a great build
cutter67 on 03:30:54 AM / 19-Dec-11i really like the tiled driveway and the air cooled vw is great it looks like you are on your way for a great build
Air cooled engine :grinwink:
ahahahahaha, silly me.
yup its air cooled. 48 years old piece of family history.
Hahaha-_- sobre lo del air cooled engine
Como va el swap??
How hard was to get the swap and how much did it cost you??
d_k_jose_s12 on 12:15:19 PM / 19-Dec-11Hahaha-_- sobre lo del air cooled engine
Como va el swap??
How hard was to get the swap and how much did it cost you??
Well the sr is designed with one so i would imagine that u should use it. Plus visible front mount IC's are baller :D
If you decide to run without an intercooler i would seriously consider low boost levels. Heat is one of the major contributors to detonation. Detonation = engine death. Otherwise it should run fine without one. Might even notice reduced lag. You should still plan on running one though.
Mira amigo es mejor que uses el intercooler es mejor para el motor y asi puedes ponerle mas psi sin preocuparte de el motor que se sobre caliente tanbien te recomiendo un oil cooler
i plan on running with one. but not in the instant future, i asked in order for it to start and go to work, simple things like that. nothing "racing-i-need-to-go-faster". my top priorities are brakes and suspension, then exterior/paint and afterwards comes everything else.
on another note: im still working on the transmision mount.
how far back did you have to grind/cut the big piece of the mount?
and can i use the upper part of the trans mount that came with the sr trans?
and..
that thing holds your exhaust LOL
this is a little vid of when we we trying to get it on.
SHIT, it seems as if the SR. ECU is fucked up (what do ecu have against me?)
so right now we are in a little fork road.
its either keeping the engine and praying the parts store gets an sr in the next shipment.
or giving the engine back....
or keeping the engine and buying a new ecu (APEXi power fc, maybe?)
even tho ^ this idea sounds lovely that would imply that i lose some money as the parts store wont refund any money. and of course we still dont know the engine condition overall.
im gonna have a nice long chat with them today... ill keep you guys posted.
I_heart_VVL on 02:27:22 PM / 22-Dec-11nice! keep us updated!
and please for the love of god, get an intercooler! even a stock sidemount would be better than none at all.
nice! keep us updated!
and please for the love of god, get an intercooler! even a stock sidemount would be better than none at all.
Ok, now its time fot testing. :nerdyembarassed: :nerdyembarassed:
and here is Zachary all dressed up for christmas eve. :D
cutter67 on 03:30:54 AM / 19-Dec-11i really like the tiled driveway...
erm, one question is the sr supposed to move when i turn the steering wheel?
we tried to move it to make the driveway "cleaner" but when i started to turn the wheels the engine started to move as well, so we left him in its rightful place. :P
Merry Christmas to you all!
Motor should be stationary......... .....?
i know it should be stationary thats why im asking
btw: it still doesnt have the trans mount. so im guessing thats the reason...
actually the engine is just sitting there in its engine mounts.
but im wondering if it has happened to anyone else ?
Fuck!! the engine wont start and it has some sort of weird squealing noise.
i may have to give this engine back :(
shit, i wanted to have it running before new years.
Hope you figure it all out man
nice work! are the sr20 easy to get over there?
86forever on 08:17:56 PM / 26-Dec-11nice work! are the sr20 easy to get over there?yes, they are kinda easy to get if you know where to look.
Que bien felicidades en conseguir que el motor funcionara
Congrats! And way before schedule. Looks like your New Years is looking better already!
Nice work! What's in the bottle?
Im guessing gasoline
nice!
Shark808 on 03:43:11 PM / 27-Dec-11Congrats! And way before schedule. Looks like your New Years is looking better already!
Jeremy A on 06:40:14 PM / 27-Dec-11Nice work! What's in the bottle?
They are interchangable, in that both will run your SR (as long as it isn't a TypeX).
S13 SR20DET MT : 50F00 (redtop) <-- mine's lent ecu
S13 SR20DET MT : 50F01 (redtop)
S13 SR20DET MT : 50F05 (blacktop)
S13 SR20DET AT : 50F10 (redtop)
S13 SR20DET AT : 50F11 (redtop)
S13 SR20DET AT : 50F15 (blacktop)
S13 SR20DE MT : 52F00 (silvertop)
S13 SR20DE AT : 52F10 (silvertop)
S13 SR20DET MT : 60F06 (type-x) <- mine (fucked up one)
S13 SR20DET MT : 60F07 (type-x)
ECU Jan 1991 - Jan 1994 23710-50F00 MT
ECU Jan 1994 - Aug 1996 23710-50F05 MT
ECU Jan 1991 - Jan 1994 23710-50F10 AT
ECU Jan 1994 - Aug 1996 23710-50F15 AT
ECU Aug 1996 - May 1997 23710-60F06 MT
ECU May 1997 - Dec 1998 23710-60F07 MT
ECU Aug 1996 - May 1997 23710-60F16 AT
ECU May 1997 - Dec 1998 23710-60F17 AT
Also be aware that a COP ECU (such as 50F00 for redtop) is not compatible with a distributor ECU, and vice-versa.
Wondering if your cars have requirements, like annual vehicle inspections..? Cali has their dreaded SMOG test and Hawaii has annual vehicle safety inspection. Both are somewhat scams $$$, but states make money and car repair shops get da business.
Edit: Our vehicle registration is determined by weight. And every year it goes up!
Shark808 on 11:45:24 AM / 28-Dec-11Wondering if your cars have requirements, like annual vehicle inspections..? Cali has their dreaded SMOG test and Hawaii has annual vehicle safety inspection. Both are somewhat scams $$$, but states make money and car repair shops get da business.
Edit: Our vehicle registration is determined by weight. And every year it goes up!