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i just ordered the innovate lm-1 wideband.... i will let everyone know how it is
just ordered wideband o2
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what made you choose the innovate lm-1 wideband over all the others out there?
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What other options are there?
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Plx,AEM,Tech Edge,FJO,LambdaBoy,and many more.
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Cool. What is the average cost of such a sensor?
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you need a controller aswell as the sensor you can find them from $280 and up. the Tech Edge is cheaper but it's one that you build yourself. I like the PLX because they are plug and play with no calibration and sell for $305us. Here is a link with a few WB O2 systems compaired. http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/default.asp?subcategorycd=o2ki&modelcd=sup4
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greddy has a wideband as well. guess who's had one for a while :mrgreen:
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what's the advantage of this? Disadvantage?
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what's the advantage of this? Disadvantage?you know your air fuel mixture in real time. It help you tuner your car properly. Proper Tuning Can:Increase HP, Increase Torque, Increase Engine life, Improve Fuel Mileage, Reduce Emissions. there is no disadvantage other than the money spent. All wideband controllers now have narrowband simulators so you can repace you factory O2 sensor with the wideband O2 sensor. Wideband controllers have an additional output wire that can be connected directly to your ECU to replace the signal from the stock O2 sensor. And still show your air fuel mixture in real time.
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dont forget the added bonus that some of these do datalogging as well. and the way i learned about these is that the narrowband has a 0-1v output where as the wideband would have a primary 0-5v output and a secondary 0-1v output. thats a huge huge differene. it will display exactly where your a/f is rather than a guess by lighting up 3 or 4 led's at a time.
my theory is dyno > wideband > narrowband > nothing.
wideband makes it easier to tune while you drive around on the streets. now what i did with my saturn was i ran the plx m300 with an electromotive tecIII EMS. whats real cool about that is that when you pair a tecIII ems to a wideband it basically tunes itself.
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the aem unit is really nice and quite affordable
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the aem unit is really nice and quite affordable
not that it matters too much but they have 2 different units that i know of, both have a 0-5v output but one of them has a secondary 0-1v output for keeping the ecu happy
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there is also a unit from zeitronix which doesn't require a display if you already have a laptop. it's the cheapest one i've seen on the market.
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i got the innovate because of the size and data logging features it has. plus replacement sensors are like $70
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the replacement sensors are stock items. you don't need to order from the wideband kit company. just make sure to get the right part number and manufacturer. the 2 major wideband sensor companies i've seen are bosch and ntk. i think the innovate can use either. the sensors wear out quickly so after you're done tuning, take it out. have fun.
btw. the zeitronix is full datalogging with 6 or so channels. log size is limited by hard drive space.
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Yeah I think I would want the kind that has the additional output to the ECU, no sense in drilling a second hole and welding on another bung for a second O2....
Ok when you say these wear out quickly, what is "quickly"? Give us some idea. OEM O2 sensors last for many many years, are these only a year or two? How can you tell when it is failing? Are you suggesting you tune it, pull it, and put back in an OEM? OEM's aren't cheap either, a new replacement wideband from what you suggest isn't all that more.
These are the questions I seek answers to. I already have an EGT, so this is the next logical area to turn my attentions to.
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Yeah I think I would want the kind that has the additional output to the ECU, no sense in drilling a second hole and welding on another bung for a second O2....
Ok when you say these wear out quickly, what is "quickly"? Give us some idea. OEM O2 sensors last for many many years, are these only a year or two? How can you tell when it is failing? Are you suggesting you tune it, pull it, and put back in an OEM? OEM's aren't cheap either, a new replacement wideband from what you suggest isn't all that more.
These are the questions I seek answers to. I already have an EGT, so this is the next logical area to turn my attentions to.
i can't remember exactly. maybe good for 10K miles? it won't just die on you. you'll get slower and inaccurate response. i'm sure if you searched you'd find your answer. i'm pretty sure the wideband sensor (only) i saw on the net were in the $80 range. regular o2s can be had for quite a bit less and last a lot longer.
i'd suggest exactly what you said. pull it after tuning. instructions on my kit told me to place the wideband o2 a bit futher downstream than the stock as 800C? 900C? (can't remember exactly) temps will damage the sensor. i put in a second bung so i could read both sensors and compare (i get both wideband and narrowband equiv from the wideband, plus the regular o2 signal datalogged to compare). most wideband controllers will have a direct 0-5v output and a simulated narrowband 0-1v output.
i have the install instructions on pdf. pm your e-mail and i'll send it to you.
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Is there going to be a difference in signal from an O2 sensor placed in the stock location versus further down the pipe?