JZ S12 BUILD, RIP 2012

Started by David B · May 28, 2008 · 1673postsSMF 2010–26

David BJun 10, 2009, 5:51 am · #701

200sxkitcar
You need to be using the S13 ball joint. install a new S13 ball joint if yours is damaged or it is still an S12 ball joint.

looks good man...

i cant use the stock ball joint?

and i HAVE to use inner and outer tie rods? i cant just sue outer?

ugh, i need some more info one what is what, the tie rod looks liek 2 peices to me, not 3

my friend is a experienced welder, and coul weld it very good... for now.. until i buy new tie rods

where can i buy castle nuts?

JayJun 10, 2009, 5:53 am · #702

David Bi cant use the stock ball joint?

and i HAVE to use inner and outer tie rods? i cant just sue outer?

ugh, i need some more info one what is what, the tie rod looks liek 2 peices to me, not 3

David, Steering is one of the things you don't wanna cobble together. use the S13 inner and outers. They're super easy to find in a boneyard (Even for me), and they qualify as a pocket item in my case. I understand you have spare knuckles, but keep them at that. spares. Just do it right. I had a SHOP not torque down a tie rod castle nut right, and I almost died. I was doing 40 on a highway on ramp, it let go, which caused the ball joint to let go (wheel went all the way to the right) and then, off the on ramp down a 45 degree embankment. for 200 feet, stopping 2 feet shy of a concrete barrier.

I do not dick around with chassis parts... and recommend you to think the same way.

200sxkitcarJun 10, 2009, 5:54 am · #703

Tie rods are inner and outer halves, you need both. when you see S13 ones, you'll know why- they are totally different lengths and smaller diameter.

Apparently S12 and S13 ball joints have different tapers, so you need to toss S13 ball joints into the S12 control arms.

David BJun 10, 2009, 6:00 am · #704

i feel like club-s12 is my mom. always telling me to do stuff

i have s13 tie rods. im just lazy. and i dont care about my life but fine, ill go ahead and do it

but foreal, do i have to swap ball joints? the knuckle fits on it fine...

how the hell do yu remove a ball joint
im guessing i need a ball joint press

i wish i was told this befor i put it all together lol

JayJun 10, 2009, 6:05 am · #705

David Bi have s13 tie rods. im just lazy. and i dont care about my life but fine, ill go ahead and do it
but foreal, do i have to swap ball joints? the knuckle fits on it fine...

how the hell do yu remove a ball joint
im guessing i need a ball joint press

i wish i was told this befor i put it all together lol

I don't fear death, but I'll be damned if I die on the road from something I did poorly

Swap the ball joint's, it's not hard (press, or torch and hammer away)

Now go clean your room damnit. I'm getting sick of the car parts keeping the door shut.
(my mother said that to me, and I couldn't help but laugh my ass off...at the time I was rebuilding a F2T in my room........)

David BJun 10, 2009, 6:09 am · #706

i mean the ball joint is like IN there, i hammer it to the side or what?

didnt henry use his stock balljoints? havent others?

JayJun 10, 2009, 6:16 am · #707

David Bi mean the ball joint is like IN there, i hammer it to the side or what?

didnt henry use his stock balljoints? havent others?

A socket that's big and tall enough to go around the shaft, and within the casings outer ridges makes life a lot easier to beat it down out of the control arm. But the arm will most likely have to be removed for this..

I have read of others using the stockers, but I wouldn't risk it seeing as the part MADE for the knuckle, is easily put into the car.

David BJun 10, 2009, 7:16 am · #708

okay so ill pull the tie rods out, and post some pictures

ill think aboutt he balljoint part later.. id really rather just use the stock one.. it seems to fit fine

David BJun 10, 2009, 8:53 am · #709

thansk to rage for clearing this up

you guys got me head all mangled.... if someone would have said, WHOLE s13 tie rod.. i would have gotten it

David BJun 10, 2009, 9:50 am · #710

okay i ditched the stock tie rods due to saftey reasons

added s13 ones, one of them is kinda shot, its 6.67 at the yard so ill grab another one this week

and, its like 6 am, so random pictas can go on
btw im ditching those tires... to save space, anyone want?
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yea the ball joint seal looks nasty, thats just the old shit, i regreased them with some red shit

heres a easy way to get the inner tie rod loose
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NissanNateJun 10, 2009, 4:20 pm · #711

Cool good job david! hey, are you going to replace those ball joints on the lower controle arm? just wondering they look a little beet up.

200sxkitcarJun 11, 2009, 5:43 am · #712

yes, Henry replaced his balljoint, you need to do the same. either look thru his build thread and find the pics of where it was done or go to autozone and rent the tool to press them out and press the new ones in, its not hard, the kit will make sense after you play with it for awhile.

its not yourself you've got to worry about, if something goes wrong and you plow into the incoming lane and kill or injure your friend driving/another driver or passengers that would be on your shoulders for the rest of your life. not worth it imo.

let me see if I posted up the pics of the balljoint install in the cheetah build thread, it should be near the end,

David BJun 11, 2009, 7:45 am · #713

balljoints r gheyyy

dammit. how much r they new?

JayJun 11, 2009, 8:40 am · #714

David Bballjoints r gheyyy
dammit. how much r they new?

More than you've paid... for anything

40-60 bucks EACH.

I get em for 17.99
That is one of the smartest things i've done in my life. Before I left advance auto, I set myself up with a level 5 commercial discount account..

Oh, and a side note for that, Get one that's greaseable and not the lifetime warranty sealed pieces of junk.
Unless, like my maxima, none are greaseable. Then drill and tap a hole for a grease fitting. I could not bring myself to selling the "lifetime" ones when I worked the desk, because EVERY SINGLE ONE FAIL!

And david... The boneyard shouldn't be your first parts source for EVERYTHING.... But 90 percent of the time, yeah. It should.

David BJun 11, 2009, 10:29 am · #715

i cant afford 120 dollars for ball joints... cant i just use my s13 ones i have...

NissanNateJun 11, 2009, 3:21 pm · #716

I did the full s13 conv so i needed new s13 ball joint for my s13 lower control arms. i found a place online that sell oem lower control arms w/ ball joints and bushings for 80 shipped! pm me if you want the address ill have to dig it up

David BJun 12, 2009, 5:50 am · #717

the local shop can remove the s13 ones i have and press them in for 80 dollars...

dammit. i guess i will...

no one... uses stock balljoint on s13 knuckleS?

JayJun 12, 2009, 5:57 am · #718

David Bthe local shop can remove the s13 ones i have and press them in for 80 dollars...
dammit. i guess i will...

no one... uses stock balljoint on s13 knuckleS?

Holy shit! That shop is expensive!!
I get old ones pressed out, and new ones in for 8 dollars an arm!

200sxkitcarJun 12, 2009, 6:33 am · #719

you can do it with the tool/pipes and a hammer for WAY less. 25-30bucks iirc for the parts, but thats gonna vary.

David BJun 12, 2009, 6:46 am · #720

200sxkitcaryou can do it with the tool/pipes and a hammer for WAY less. 25-30bucks iirc for the parts, but thats gonna vary.

id rather buy new ones, and put them in myself...

any good way to get the fucker out of the control arm? can someone explain

hyperfest is NEXT SATURDAY!!!
help im rushing fast

ball joints at autozone is 35 bucks a piece

how about this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NISSAN-240S...sQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NISSAN-240SX-89-94-BALL-JOINT-LOWER-RIGHT-LEFT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a12Q7c66Q3a2Q7c39Q3a1Q7c72Q3a1171Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem27a936faaaQQitemZ170342677162QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)

im scared to order, cause what if they dont come in on time.. if i do on ebay

JayJun 12, 2009, 7:07 am · #721

David Bid rather buy new ones, and put them in myself...

any good way to get the fucker out of the control arm? can someone explain
hyperfest is NEXT SATURDAY!!!
help im rushing fast
ball joints at autozone is 35 bucks a piece

how about this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NISSAN-240S...sQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NISSAN-240SX-89-94-BALL-JOINT-LOWER-RIGHT-LEFT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a12Q7c66Q3a2Q7c39Q3a1Q7c72Q3a1171Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem27a936faaaQQitemZ170342677162QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)

im scared to order, cause what if they dont come in on time.. if i do on ebay

I would ask the seller if it comes with the circlips for the top. It has the groove, but as it states may be a generic picture. Find that out first.
You can rent a ball joint and ujoint press tool at advance for about 70 bucks, or maybe more. But you get it all back when you return it. I've used that countless times. And now I own my own press. I got sick of paying for pressing the maxima's bearings out and in every 6 months.

David BJun 12, 2009, 8:09 am · #722

JayI would ask the seller if it comes with the circlips for the top. It has the groove, but as it states may be a generic picture. Find that out first.
You can rent a ball joint and ujoint press tool at advance for about 70 bucks, or maybe more. But you get it all back when you return it. I've used that countless times. And now I own my own press. I got sick of paying for pressing the maxima's bearings out and in every 6 months.

which ball joint tool do i use? arent there different types?

silvia loveJun 14, 2009, 2:50 am · #723

good stuff

David BJun 14, 2009, 2:52 am · #724

silvia lovei wasnt aware you can run q45 rotors w/ s13 calipers.....

wat? no, i have s13 rotors with s13 calipers

and thanks too lee who spotted the add. i think im picking up a WHOLE rear end off a datsun 200sx, 1982 with disks, just got off the phone with the guy

LeegamerJun 14, 2009, 3:02 am · #725

David Bwat? no, i have s13 rotors with s13 calipers
and thanks too lee who spotted the add. i think im picking up a WHOLE rear end off a datsun 200sx, 1982 with disks, just got off the phone with the guy

Lol. You're lucky I have a bunch of parts to buy for my Z, otherwise that would have been in my budget.

JayJun 14, 2009, 4:33 am · #726

David Bwat? no, i have s13 rotors with s13 calipers
and thanks too lee who spotted the add. i think im picking up a WHOLE rear end off a datsun 200sx, 1982 with disks, just got off the phone with the guy

Your a dick...

demonic s12Jun 14, 2009, 4:39 am · #727

pardon me for not reading completely, but are you running s13 lcas?

i believe it gives you more track, for better fitment

rageJun 14, 2009, 7:48 am · #728

wont change the wheel fitment, just increases much needed negative camber

David BJun 14, 2009, 8:34 am · #729

isn that what neg camber is for? regardless a longer lca wont make the wheels fit

demonic s12Jun 14, 2009, 8:49 am · #730

David B regardless a longer lca wont make the wheels fit

it would with high offset wheels

David BJun 14, 2009, 4:31 pm · #731

demonic s12it would with high offset wheels

okay, but it wouldnt change the distance from caliper to wheel..... the wheel doesnt spin when i tighten it down.

needs a spacer

David BJun 15, 2009, 4:32 pm · #732

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LeegamerJun 15, 2009, 4:35 pm · #733

Badass.

silvia loveJun 15, 2009, 6:03 pm · #734

so your wheels rub the calipers? have you made sure they're not rubbing the coils too. pic pics pics and more pics

David BJun 15, 2009, 7:41 pm · #735

silvia loveso your wheels rub the calipers? have you made sure they're not rubbing the coils too. pic pics pics and more pics

they dont rub the coils, luckly.

and i got the ball joints pressed in! im gonna find and buy as many bolts as it takes, ill take some pictas soon

then i gotta drive the car to get it aligned and BAM, done

i already posted this in the other thread but ill put it in here too because its awesome
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silvia loveJun 15, 2009, 7:50 pm · #736

oooo, disk conversion...yeah!!!

David BJun 16, 2009, 12:16 am · #737

conversion done

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seishukuJun 16, 2009, 12:36 am · #738

You did remember to put the snap ring on the ball joints, right?

David BJun 16, 2009, 12:55 am · #739

seishukuYou did remember to put the snap ring on the ball joints, right?

yes sir!

needs alignment. very badly... i have SOOO much toe in

David BJun 16, 2009, 1:37 am · #740

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the toe is so bad, it can only be driven about 10 mph. theres a shop about a block down the street im gonna take it too tomorrow

ArroJun 16, 2009, 2:18 am · #741

Why's the back jacked up so high?

When you get the alignment finished, take some daytime pics

JayJun 16, 2009, 2:31 am · #742

ArroWhy's the back jacked up so high?

When you get the alignment finished, take some daytime pics

He only bought got front coilovers. so now he needs to get new springs in the rear to drop her down.

Dave, even with an alignment that thing is going to be sooooo unruly sliding.

It's not a good thing. it might scare you.

David BJun 16, 2009, 5:45 am · #743

JayHe only bought got front coilovers. so now he needs to get new springs in the rear to drop her down.

Dave, even with an alignment that thing is going to be sooooo unruly sliding.

It's not a good thing. it might scare you.

why? the springs in the rear arent that bad

JayJun 16, 2009, 7:03 am · #744

David Bwhy? the springs in the rear arent that bad

It's center of gravity isn't level. for one. It's sloped. Spring and strut rates aren't matched. and I'm sure the rear springs and shocks are going to be a lot softer in comparison.

take videos!!!

Oh, and go get that car for me and bring it here.

David BJun 17, 2009, 12:01 am · #745

my tie rods are TOO long... instead of welding it shorter, i bought my first die and tap set and made a new thread

i <3 tap and die sets!!! they work so well!

i lengthend the tie rod thread, and i cut the some of the old part off, so now it should be fine to drive to get it aligned

the made thread is the cleaner part

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JayJun 17, 2009, 12:04 am · #746

See, now wasn't that easy?

Good deal!

Oh, and i'm glad to see you got greasable ball joints

David BJun 17, 2009, 12:22 am · #747

31 bucks for too new off ebay balljoints

they look pregreased... should i grease them??

im gonna make my own s13 suspension thread.... the other ones are lies!

seishukuJun 17, 2009, 12:25 am · #748

Ya, I'd hit 'em with some grease.

SHIFT_LOVEJun 17, 2009, 1:05 pm · #749

youve come so far since i first saw your first post on this forum...we should all be super proud of you lol

David BJun 17, 2009, 10:31 pm · #750

lol thanks, i have learned alot just from the interwebs