JZ S12 BUILD, RIP 2012

Started by David B · May 28, 2008 · 1673postsSMF 2010–26

David BJul 6, 2008, 12:51 am · #151

seb.racing good job

good tools

thanks,
and

WERE FUCKING MOVING!

honestly,
the house SUCKS,
its a farm house, on two acres,

but
the garage, which is ALLL MINE ALLLLLLLL MINE is a awesome size

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/GAYRAGE.jpg)
(crap phone pic)

the garage has a cieling mounted heater and some other goodies,
blah blah,
by like 10 days ill be living there

seb.racingJul 6, 2008, 12:51 pm · #152

lucky

David BJul 9, 2008, 4:32 am · #153

UPDATE****

nothing latley,
i used another can, and started cleaning the bay up more,
its looking nice,

i started moving the garage, down the street to the new house,
people think im crazy! haha, my mom has the truck, and i dont have one, so i have to use my 4 wheeler/trailer to get stuff to my house while shes gone...

so im like rolling down the street in my quad with a CA20, some fenders, a hood, and some random parts. lol,
the nieghbors at the new house probally think all i drive is a 4 wheeler....

ill be moved within a week,
and after july 15th (warped tour/beach)
ill be back to the drawing boards saving money,

i have a question,
about the KA24DE,
for the swap,

i need
1. custom driveshaft... which is s13 front/S12 lengh..??
2. cut trans tunnel, to fit S13 tranny,
3. what about the S13 mounts... how do they go on?
i dont know much abut what else ill need for the swap,

i need to know,
whats NOT bolt on, what i need to get customly done.
what i need to get welded.... what i should start investing in..

and my other outlook is a rollcage, most deff for me, as going to my first drift event, watching a car flip in person for the first time!
(pics from that day)

i dont want to end up like that!

so im kinda torn between a ENGINE, and a rollcage,
because, honestly, i should learn more about the KA, before i get my hands on it and break something...
i found, http://www.pipermotorsport.com/services.asp (http://www.pipermotorsport.com/services.asp)
check em out
piper motorsports... i talked to the guy, and im getting an estimate on a 4 point cage, 4 point its deff enough for me
there located near me, and they got some cool stuff. awesome shit, i never thought i would actually be looking this kinda of stuff.

ill be getting an estimate in an email soon

ArroJul 9, 2008, 3:37 pm · #154

Answer to question #3: For the engine, the S13 motor mounts just bolt right in, but for the trans, you're going to have to modify the crossmember. You'll probably have to do something like what's pictured in my thread or in Henry's.

David BUPDATE****

nothing latley,
i used another can, and started cleaning the bay up more,
its looking nice,
i started moving the garage, down the street to the new house,
people think im crazy! haha, my mom has the truck, and i dont have one, so i have to use my 4 wheeler/trailer to get stuff to my house while shes gone...

so im like rolling down the street in my quad with a CA20, some fenders, a hood, and some random parts. lol,
the nieghbors at the new house probally think all i drive is a 4 wheeler....
i dont know much abut what else ill need for the swap,

Yes you do, but getting the engine and trans in first is the priority.

and my other outlook is a rollcage, most deff for me, as going to my first drift event, watching a car flip in person for the first time!
so im kinda torn between a ENGINE, and a rollcage,
because, honestly, i should learn more about the KA, before i get my hands on it and break something...

There is no question in my mind that you need to get your engine swap done first. If you have lots of money and time, and have experience racing or tuning cars, then doing it all at once might make more sense, but this is all very new to you. Get your engine and transmission in first, get it running, get your driveshaft solution, and drive the KA around for awhile before you get behind the wheel in a race or drift event. It would be foolish to think you're ready for the track.

Street driving your car for awhile gives you the chance to get used to the KA's quirks, get a feel for the car, and get familiar with it... like it's a part of you. After that, maybe do some auto-cross racing... it's safe, and it's going to teach you A LOT about suspension and handling, which is important even with drifting. Once you're comfortable with your car, and you've modified and tuned the chassis (strut braces, swaybars, etc) and the suspension (springs or coilovers or whatever, camber, etc), THEN you can start thinking about drifting.

Yes, there are guys out there who just get in their beater and drift it. But if you're worried about a cage, you haven't learned enough about your car. If you're doing something that can roll your car, then you need to tune the suspension and drive it more modestly until you have *control*.

I think Marvin said it best, "Power ain't nuttin' without control."

So get your engine in. Drive it. Tune the chassis and suspension. Do some auto-x. Then when you're *comfortable* with the way your car feels, take it up a notch.

i found, http://www.pipermotorsport.com/services.asp (http://www.pipermotorsport.com/services.asp)
check em out
piper motorsports... i talked to the guy, and im getting an estimate on a 4 point cage, 4 point its deff enough for me
there located near me, and they got some cool stuff. awesome shit, i never thought i would actually be looking this kinda of stuff.

ill be getting an estimate in an email soon

Again, I don't really think you're in a position to worry about how many points the cage is, since you're in no skill level to even be pushing that car to those limits. And something to consider -- putting in a cage doesn't protect the car. It protects *you*. Most of the time, the car is quite capable of protecting you, even in a roll. The cage is nice for high-speed impacts, and for a sturdier chassis. But don't think that the cage protects the car! If you're worried you're gonna roll, then you're not ready to race. Period. Any impact that benefits from a cage is a *car killer*, and you'll be done. You'll have just spent all your money for nothing.

I just think you're coming at this wrong, that's all. You have a chance to build and learn on a good engine set, I'd rather see you enjoy it for awhile and then grow with it, instead of going into it balls-out and then out of a car.

David BJul 9, 2008, 9:32 pm · #155

i know, i am coming at it all wrong, lol. thats why im asking questions,
this is all new to me,
yea i guess the engine should be priority,l im just worried about it.

im afraid im going to get it, and do something really stupid, i would rather learn more? you know?
but yea

ArroJul 9, 2008, 10:15 pm · #156

I understand that. Let me put it this way... you should get it running *before* you worry about more advanced racing needs. That's pretty much it.

Hell, I'd have my KA boosted before I had a rollcage put in.

David BJul 9, 2008, 10:41 pm · #157

Arro I understand that. Let me put it this way... you should get it running *before* you worry about more advanced racing needs. That's pretty much it.

Hell, I'd have my KA boosted before I had a rollcage put in.

well after calling a few guys. and some references, i could get a "whatever" approved rollcage for like 400 bucks easy,

its just that, im gonna have troubble finding a decent KA., i would rather focus on suspension and such before my engine...

because to think about it, even if i got an engine now, it would be winter, before i ever even get the car started, therefor meaning i wouldnt be driving it as much, ya know?

ArroJul 9, 2008, 11:55 pm · #158

Except that tuning aftermarket suspension without the engine in is impossible.

I still think you should do engine first, but it's your car $400 is enough to buy your engine and trans.

Oh, and $400 sounds awful cheap to me... emhpasis on both the "awful" and "cheap". I wouldn't trust a $400 cage. Is that installed? Or just some components?

Also, I don't trust a pre-made cage, I would want a shop to make it ON the car, so it fits right. I've heard countless horror stories of guys who plopped down anywhere from $600 to as high as $1400 and got something that when put together, it didn't even fit right.

It's just not worth it. You're worrying about cage and competition suspension before you even have it running. I still say get it running first.

EternalSwapJul 10, 2008, 7:39 am · #159

You don't need a cage
Trust me

David BJul 10, 2008, 5:31 pm · #160

EternalSwap You don't need a cage
Trust me

i would like one eventually, i guess just not for now

ArroJul 10, 2008, 8:07 pm · #161

Don't be sad about it tho, there's still PLENTY to get excited about with this engine swap!

So what are your smog laws like in VA?

David BJul 10, 2008, 8:27 pm · #162

i have questions but moving to a different thread on that topic,

SprockCapnJul 11, 2008, 12:10 am · #163

As far as cages go i would listen to ARRO. My friend ordered a pre-made roll cage that came in two pieces. When it got here we realized the people who built it must not have test fitted it. It had four sleeves that bolted the two pieces together. When we went to put it together we had rubber mallets, long 2X4's a few people trying to stretch the connections just to fit. Needless to say it was not fun and i'm sure the neighbors thought we were crazy. we eventually had to get it most of the way and drill the holes a little better because the original holes did not line up, therefore losing some structural integrity im sure. Hopefully my long story about our experience helps you make your decision.

PS. Im jbjorndal on FA that has the same car as you.

bluke1Jul 12, 2008, 3:04 am · #164

i know its been a few posts, but (like always) arros advice is dead on. you should take your project in logical steps. first, get a motor and get the thing running. second, improve things like engine, suspension, and driver. third, (as arro stated) get used to the car your driving. get comfortable with it, go fast on the on-ramp to the interstate, find a twisty road, and feel out the car until its predictable. then start autocrossing, learn the car in a safe, but competitive environment. after that, you should be well prepared (and probably made a few connections) to get a cage and drift. THIS is the logical way to take your project. if you get impatient and skip steps, a year from now youll likely post 'i should have listened, arro!' just some friendly advice- oh, and as far as cages are concerned, when you get to that step, post again, i have much experience in both bolt-in and custom cages.

David BJul 18, 2008, 2:42 am · #165

UPDATE**

no progress, went to the beach, and camped in my S12 for 3 days lol, went to VA beach warped tour,
the line up sucked this year, to many emo bands,

but
i started moving since i got back from the beach,

here is my new room
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_1390.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_1389.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_1388.jpg)

this is going to be a perfect practice pad for me, having a nice garage like this will make everything very easy compared to my crammed spot before, i cant wait!

David BJul 18, 2008, 5:31 pm · #166

i found a KA24DE

but its too pricey i think

its from a motorsports facility in baltimore,

its an s14 with 90 grand on it, plus tranny, plus mounts, no harness
he wants like 700 though, plus gas. lol
still looking

SHIFT_LOVEJul 18, 2008, 7:14 pm · #167

David Bi found a KA24DE

but its too pricey i think

its from a motorsports facility in baltimore,
its an s14 with 90 grand on it, plus tranny, plus mounts, no harness
he wants like 700 though, plus gas. lol
still looking

thats a terrible deal, finding a wiring harness and ecu will be hell without an engine attached to it....900 is too expensive, i paid that much for my ca18det

David BJul 18, 2008, 9:41 pm · #168

SHIFT_LOVE
thats a terrible deal, finding a wiring harness and ecu will be hell without an engine attached to it....900 is too expensive, i paid that much for my ca18det

i know, ive been on the search, calling people, going to drift events. asking around.

i found a KA24E with a blown head gasket for 80 bux, but i want DOHC.
im looking. and looking. im in search of a SR swap shop, but there is NOYANUSA that i keep getting referred.
they close early, at like 5. so i always forget to call. i dunno, im being patient, because i have speeding tickets to pay. but yea, ive talked to so many people, and there like "i got my DOHC KA for like 2oo-300 bux, everything, then they did a simple rebuild. and BAM. why the hell cant it be that easy? it probally is, i just need to look harder. but yea. at least overall, i have some progress
you have to remember, im 17 years old. and before i got my first S12, i didnt know much about cars.
i have alot of learning to do. but because of this forum, and some friends, i think its still possible

bluke1Jul 19, 2008, 1:01 am · #169

patience is the key, i wondered if i would ever find a good ka, even debated buying a whole car to steal the motor, and one day on craigslist it was there. deals will show up. it just takes time. while your waiting, im sure theres plenty of 'busy work' ie body and interior, and reading on how car electrical works so you will be a step ahead when it comes to wiring your new motor....

David BJul 19, 2008, 2:47 am · #170

bluke1 patience is the key, i wondered if i would ever find a good ka, even debated buying a whole car to steal the motor, and one day on craigslist it was there. deals will show up. it just takes time. while your waiting, im sure theres plenty of 'busy work' ie body and interior, and reading on how car electrical works so you will be a step ahead when it comes to wiring your new motor....

i knowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww dammiittttttttt

screw the east coast
if D.C. where to get nuclear bombed with acids and were to get deathly poisend
i would be the only S12 owner to die

its so hard to wait but im doing my best, and looking

XanoJul 19, 2008, 4:28 am · #171

David Bi knowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww dammiittttttttt

screw the east coast
if D.C. where to get nuclear bombed with acids and were to get deathly poisend
i would be the only S12 owner to die
its so hard to wait but im doing my best, and looking

lol, dude, you say this, and I just finished watching the Happening.....

SHIFT_LOVEJul 19, 2008, 1:46 pm · #172

Xanolol, dude, you say this, and I just finished watching the Happening.....

that movie was a complete and utter letdown...fuck m night shamalan, hyes always gotta make it intellectual instead of just being fucking brutal...its just not my cup of tea...the happening isnt even elligible for a dvd rental for me...much less a dollar theatre revisit

XanoJul 19, 2008, 6:10 pm · #173

SHIFT_LOVEthat movie was a complete and utter letdown...fuck m night shamalan, hyes always gotta make it intellectual instead of just being fucking brutal...its just not my cup of tea...the happening isnt even elligible for a dvd rental for me...much less a dollar theatre revisit

i completely disagree. The movie was actually really good, interesting plot lines, and he went outside his usual style and didnt make it have a TWIEEEST ending.

Plus, I got it on .avi format, so I didnt pay anything to go see it, and will never have to do so.

ArroJul 19, 2008, 6:13 pm · #174

Ok keeping it on-topic...

So David what are you going to do to the car this weekend?

XanoJul 19, 2008, 6:15 pm · #175

ArroOk keeping it on-topic...

So David what are you going to do to the car this weekend?

Sorry Arro,

David, I want to see more pictures of your cars man, take more, im a picture whore.

David BJul 21, 2008, 3:23 am · #176

Xano
Sorry Arro,

David, I want to see more pictures of your cars man, take more, im a picture whore.

haha alright, its nothing great yet, its all over the place.
i need a god damn KA

PICCCCSSSS

heres the new, very old house

sterling, got me S12 seat rails, the black box thingy, and my drivers side mirror. but the box is somewhere in america haha

IggyEGuanaJul 21, 2008, 4:24 am · #177

Lookin great man. Ur garage is big even with the car in it. lol at that can on stock exhaust. Muffler shops can bend up a system for an ok price. KA is 2.4 so 2.25"? Mayb 2.5" there are calcs for that stuff online. If going KA-T at some point then just go 3" right away and be done with it. werd

EternalSwapJul 21, 2008, 8:29 pm · #178

With KA 3" is best

David BJul 21, 2008, 11:25 pm · #179

2.25, 2.5, 3.

everyone has to many opinions about EVERYTHING lol

ArroJul 21, 2008, 11:43 pm · #180

Generally, 2.4 and bigger does better w/ 3". Most of those setups come stock with 2.25 or even 2.5.

I'm gonna stick with my 2.5" system for now, but that's mostly for budget reasons.

200sxkitcarJul 22, 2008, 6:37 am · #181

Heard from several sources that 3" is best with KA, even stock.

Thats awesome if you get a welder, so many doors opened up with one, things you can do that you never considered before.

Recommend going over that thread that Julie started about welders she was looking at, and take those thoughts into account. Might consider printing it out and showing your mom/dad.

PMd you regarding the stuff, we'll find it.

Careful with the basement not to unearth any bodies or anything. thats a HELLA OLD house

If you simply lay the carpet right over the dirt, unless its real dry there, you might have mold issues with the dampness, so keep that in mind. You should take pics of this place, it sounds cool.

David BJul 22, 2008, 6:57 am · #182

200sxkitcar Heard from several sources that 3" is best with KA, even stock.

Thats awesome if you get a welder, so many doors opened up with one, things you can do that you never considered before.

Recommend going over that thread that Julie started about welders she was looking at, and take those thoughts into account. Might consider printing it out and showing your mom/dad.

PMd you regarding the stuff, we'll find it.

Careful with the basement not to unearth any bodies or anything. thats a HELLA OLD house

If you simply lay the carpet right over the dirt, unless its real dry there, you might have mold issues with the dampness, so keep that in mind. You should take pics of this place, it sounds cool.

it dont have dirt floors!
its drit walls, lol
but yea, ill take some pics of it.

and lets hope we find that box!
i read julies thread, i reead it also, its one of the first threads i eevr read on this forum

200sxkitcarJul 22, 2008, 7:03 am · #183

Oh, ok, I get ya.

Julie's thread has a lot of info, some of which will be more helpful when you actually go to look for one.

If you are interested in a particular model, you can start a thread or add it here, whatever, and we'll (or maybe just I lol) will give you our opinions on it based on your needs, level of skill atm, what you want eventually, etc.

Dirt floors aren't uncommon here in super old houses, but we don't have any that are THAT old, as my area wasn't settled until 1850+, and most of what was built back then burned down with regularity, so not much before 1900, actually.

David BJul 23, 2008, 1:53 am · #184

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_1418.jpg)

this is keeping my from my car

200sxkitcarJul 23, 2008, 2:08 am · #185

After you paint, you should fill the room with various GT-R posters, along with others

Its your 'meditation' room for fixing the car

David BJul 23, 2008, 6:05 pm · #186

its mothafuckin christmas!

haah the lost BOX,
finally made it to my house

MEOOOow!

1. the box,
2. the mysteriousblack headlight box
3. drivers side mirror (grey car)
4. is S12 seat rails

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_1427.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_1428.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_1429.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_1430.jpg)

now i can go finally buy seats, mount them, tuck the crapet, and the interior will be FINISHED

thanks sterling, you got me these at a great price i reccomend any bussiness with him

200sxkitcarJul 24, 2008, 5:08 am · #187

haha man, good to know...

The temp thing on the mirror is just a sticker, it should peel off.

HIGHLY recommend the Mazda MX3 seats I got, they were out of a V6, 93 model I think. Later ones came with a different design, not as supportive, but probably bolt in similarly.

David BJul 24, 2008, 6:36 am · #188

200sxkitcar haha man, good to know...

The temp thing on the mirror is just a sticker, it should peel off.

HIGHLY recommend the Mazda MX3 seats I got, they were out of a V6, 93 model I think. Later ones came with a different design, not as supportive, but probably bolt in similarly.

okay, ill look around, i dont even need my liscense for that, my friend always hits up the yards and takes me with him, looking for old german parts though

David BJul 25, 2008, 2:41 am · #189

aside from the hatch, my other hatch is doing nicely, these cars make great daily drivers, and unique ones around here.
but yea, its in great shape
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/carsitting.jpg)

JulieJul 25, 2008, 4:12 am · #190

200sxkitcarAfter you paint, you should fill the room with various GT-R posters, along with others

Its your 'meditation' room for fixing the car

i did something like this in my garage, only its just a wall. i went through all my car mags and cut out pics of cars i liked, ideas i wanted to steal, products i wanted to buy, etc, and taped them up on the wall for inspiration. it reallly helps to visualize something you wanna do and apply it to the project.

200sxkitcarJul 25, 2008, 4:25 am · #191

You should take a pic.

JulieJul 25, 2008, 5:24 am · #192

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/juliebriggs/picture5168.jpg)

sinestroJul 25, 2008, 5:31 am · #193

i've seen and still have just about every one of those pics, but mine are still in the magazines i got a stack thats too tall

200sxkitcarJul 25, 2008, 6:17 am · #194

Same here! lol

Very nice Julie, you need more now

OK

So DAVID

Still have license? did you have to buy off the judge? I can probably find you someone in Chi that can help you there haha

David BJul 25, 2008, 6:21 am · #195

200sxkitcar Same here! lol

Very nice Julie, you need more now

OK

So DAVID

Still have license? did you have to buy off the judge? I can probably find you someone in Chi that can help you there haha

i requested a NO CONTEST, on my plea, so the DMV would hopefully just restrict me for my 2 jobs

well, i ahve my liscense for now... but within a month it WILL, be gone, no question
eh,

could i drive a moped to work? on a restricted liscense..... in VA, you dont even need a liscense to drive one.... you just have to be 16 or something...

but since, i got my restricted... does that degrade me lower?

because, im about to buy a moped

200sxkitcarJul 25, 2008, 6:29 am · #196

Well,

I guess you'll find out, wont ya!

It could, change your status,

Actually, I would really find this out first, because if you got pulled over again while riding this thing w/o license and you need one, you could be in some pretty serious shit.

I've known people to lose their license until 21+, which I don't have to explain how much of a bitch that is.

Get friendly with co-workers, so you can get free rides

David BJul 25, 2008, 6:34 am · #197

haha yea, i just want an excuse to get a moped.
i do have some friends and stuff, but not everyone is reliable.... i work everyday next week

200sxkitcarJul 25, 2008, 6:37 am · #198

Mopeds are tight. I burn for a scooter bad, but... haven't decided what I want yet.

That, and it takes money away from the S12 project.

JulieJul 25, 2008, 6:47 am · #199

200sxkitcarSame here! lol

Very nice Julie, you need more now

i dont seen much that really inspires me to the point of wanting to steal ideas. seems like no one is really trying anymore. the last epic car i was was a EF civic hatchback with extremely rare jdm bits on it and work equip 01's under it. truly a impressive car

200sxkitcarJul 25, 2008, 6:53 am · #200

This is true, I figured that when I saw what you had up there.

I had a picture of an awesome scooter. and now I cannot find. poop