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Remote mount turbo V6 project

Started by Joel07 · Apr 14, 2005 · 686postsSMF 2010–26vBulletin 2004–05

s12godFeb 5, 2009, 1:00 pm · #351

I'm still considering this. I am gathering part for a turbo set up, I'm just not sure if I want to put it in the bay or go this route. I plan to turbo the vg33. Idk what I should do.

nismologistFeb 7, 2009, 11:35 pm · #352

do it where the battery was.

mcFeb 14, 2009, 3:33 pm · #353

..I made a new cat bypass pipe...2.5" pipe...bolt-in flanges...a bung welded in to relocate the WB O2 sensor closer to the engine..i need to get the car reinspected for state emmision so this will make it a breeze to swap the cat in/out.

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mcFeb 25, 2009, 2:56 pm · #354

...today i wanted to get some idea as to what the exhaust temps were reaching at 10-12psi....i took the K thermocouple and stuck it in the muffler and made a clip to hold in place...this Fluke II has a datalogger which records max/min/average...outside air temps were 42*F....IT recorded a max of 528*F

mcMar 28, 2009, 9:27 am · #355

..i tried out these peel n stick decal temperature recorders...similar results to the other test....they come in various temp ranges....it definitely answers the question that the turbo runs cooler in the rear.

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s12swedenMar 31, 2009, 12:53 pm · #356

mc : hello i have never hear about with V6 in S12 , nice work

vg30e_x2_200sxMar 31, 2009, 11:44 pm · #357

They were stock in them in 1987 & 1988 only in the US. They only made 5000 each year so they are a bit rare.

ArroApr 12, 2009, 1:07 pm · #358
nismologistdo it where the battery was.

fail.

we've been over this time and time and time and time again, a single turbo setup would mean a crossover pipe manifold system, which doesn't fit on our cars because of the firewall, the motor mounts, and other crap. That's the whole reason why a remote mount works *best* on our S12 SE's.

s12godI'm still considering this. I am gathering part for a turbo set up, I'm just not sure if I want to put it in the bay or go this route. I plan to turbo the vg33. Idk what I should do.

Just do this. Cheap, and easy. No rediculous welding or major modification required... his setup is so literally bolt-on it's scary.

s12swedenmc : hello i have never hear about with V6 in S12 , nice work

Only in North America  and only non-turbo from the factory. Same engine as in the non-turbo 300ZX, but our chassis is different so the turbo version doesn't fit at all without major major modification.

MC, that's a really good price on the bypass pipe.
mcApr 12, 2009, 3:02 pm · #359

ARRO...thanks for the continued support with this build...and i agree,i suceeded building a easy and really affordable turbo vg30....anyone can do it ,i pretty much laid it out for others to connect the dots to get that turbo boost...we just need some other vg30 members to step up and give it a go...did i mention this is easy and cheap???..LOL

MC, that's a really good price on the bypass pipe

Thanks..but it might go up because i want to change it to a one piece design...cleaner without the staggered pipes and extra clamps.

mcApr 14, 2009, 3:53 pm · #360

..i need to get the NYC emmision tested in early May, so its time to remove the cheater pipe.It should pass  again...i will remove the MBC and wastegate helper springs so it stays at stock low boost...the timing will get knocked back to 10 from the 25 its at now....it would of been intersting to test without the cat just to see how close it could get to passing.
..i need to send the turbo out for a rebuild...its boosting fine up to 12psi but its also allowing alot of oil in the cold side piping...i need to reclock the center cartridge to get the drain pointing at 6 but its frozen solid..so off its going to the rebuilder...a fresh rebuild and reclocking should solve the oil problem...if not,i'll look into upgrading the Mocal pump.

mcApr 17, 2009, 11:16 am · #361

new one piece 2.5" cheater pipe....
..i'll post up the results if there is any differance in moving the WB O2 from the rear to the cat location.

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mcApr 19, 2009, 11:42 am · #362

..here isa decent pix of the front to rear pipes on the car..pipes run parallel...i dropped out the cheater to reinstall the cat convertor for emission testing.

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pix of vg30 collector

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pix of cat remounted.
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mcApr 19, 2009, 12:00 pm · #363

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...nice pix of the solid tranny mount.
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..pix of the Mocal pump/air filter/part of the view of turbo.
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cat reinstalled...it'll be back off soon enough.
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vg30e_x2_200sxApr 19, 2009, 4:28 pm · #364

Dude man those nails would scare the hell outta me. You gotta do something about that before you pop a tire.

seishukuApr 19, 2009, 4:37 pm · #365

Seriously... Those ramps are crazy!

mcApr 19, 2009, 5:46 pm · #366
vg30e_x2_200sxDude man those nails would scare the hell outta me. You gotta do something about that before you pop a tire.
ha ha..i had to put those on there for the tires to grab...otherwise the ramps just would be pushed back and it wouldnt ride up the ramp....its a "wiggarigged" ramp, but it lifts the car up to a decent height!
mcApr 25, 2009, 9:57 am · #367

...i had the state inspection today and it passed with the cleanest results yet..i had the initial timing at 17 degrees..idle at 750rpm...rock steady idle!
HC LIMIT .80  RESULT  0.19
CO LIMIT 15.0 RESULT  1.9
NOxLIMIT 2.00 RESULT  0.57

ArroApr 25, 2009, 12:17 pm · #368

holy shit that's awesome, tuned well!

mcApr 25, 2009, 3:17 pm · #369

thanks,i was surprised on how well it tested...its running great....i decided to to reinstall the cheater pipe just to see how fast i could get it in/out...while i was under there i rerouted the WB O2...I snaked the harness up through the shifter hole and under the center console...the plug-in for the JAW kit is right there.
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mcMay 7, 2009, 6:53 pm · #370

So after 4 years use, the Mocal pump took a shit...i was getting alot of oil in the intake and exhaust and the pump itself was becoming a drippy mess..its a draw back having to use a return oil pump but what are going to do??i cant go back to n/a!!..fortunately, a rebuild kit is available for around 50.00 and it'll be here tomorrow.

XanoMay 7, 2009, 6:56 pm · #371

you should look into higher quality pumps then, if that one started failing in so many ways.

mcMay 8, 2009, 7:10 am · #372
Xanoyou should look into higher quality pumps then, if that one started failing in so many ways.
yeah,now there are better choices for pumps then when i first started.
mcMay 9, 2009, 4:33 pm · #373

i rebuilt the Mocal pump...the kit comes with a Viton gasket/pump heads/screws and not much else?? you dont get much for $50.00!!...i picked up a set of rims/tires from a 96 240sx SE.
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NY200sxMay 17, 2009, 10:18 am · #374

Nice build dude! happy to see a s12 near me haha gotta meet up one day

mcMay 17, 2009, 12:04 pm · #375
NY200sxNice build dude! happy to see a s12 near me haha gotta meet up one day
sounds good...i actually was on S.I. last weekend when i picked up the new rims.
NY200sxMay 17, 2009, 3:37 pm · #376

oh shit lol ya dude om your # or something... you can help wiht my car! lol j/k my s12 is hurt haha

RedneckMay 17, 2009, 5:11 pm · #377

Nice to see you went with the s14 SE rims. I have them on my SE as well  .

mcMay 17, 2009, 6:30 pm · #378
RedneckNice to see you went with the s14 SE rims. I have them on my SE as well  .
its slightly heavier rim,from my scale...but its worth it!...they came with 205-55-16" tires[decent shape for now]...i'd like to go a little wider, if possible.
mcMay 18, 2009, 10:44 am · #379

...I've had these laying around and plan on getting installed...pretty nice aluminum finned cover with extra capacity,it even has ports for a diff/cooler pump...the delrin bushing is from MM&R[not on the site anymore]..and a SE hanger.
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mcMay 25, 2009, 8:37 pm · #380

i replaced the front and rear pads[ceramic],master cylinder[300zx 1 1/8"], and rear driver e-brake cable and the driver/passanger outter tie-rods...picked up all the parts from Rockauto.com...really good parts/delivery.
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demonic s12May 25, 2009, 9:23 pm · #381

nice work man

seishukuMay 25, 2009, 11:23 pm · #382

Everyone always seems to break those tie rod presses, I don't think I've ever seen one hold together. At least it was only the bolt that broke.

I always just use a pickle fork, it'll probably destroy the joint, but at least it's less likely to self destruct.

mcMay 26, 2009, 6:00 am · #383

yeah,typical Harbor Freight junk...i need to pick up a better bolt to fix it....i ended up having to hit the stud twice by hammer and it came apart...my steering is rock solid now.

mcJun 9, 2009, 8:19 pm · #384

i ordered some front end suspension parts from Rockauto..KYB front struts,ball joints,control arm bushings,boots,end link kit,ect..its mostly all parts made by MOOG,a little better quality than the lowest price offerings.

mcJun 12, 2009, 7:46 pm · #385

i took on the front passenger suspension rebuild today...removed the strut with all the brake parts attached...disassembled and found the original strut was fully blown...inserted the KYB inser with some power steering fluid....seperating the ball joint from the steering link was a bitch....i broke my spreading tool[again]and used a tie rod tool from my Chevelle days...had to mod to make it work though....the control arm bushing was the longest/hardest of the day...i have a air impact chisel and had to rip it apart to remove...pressing in the new ball joint on my bench vise was easy because of some large sockets used as drivers/spacers...though pressing in the control arm bushing wasnt easy because the arm would bend inward, i ended up making a wood shim to stuff in the arms channel which allowed the bushing to slide in correctly....one side is done and its amazingly firm compared to the other side.

mcJun 12, 2009, 7:58 pm · #386

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mcJun 28, 2009, 12:16 pm · #387

..i picked up some wider rear tires..225-50-16"..i'll keep the 205-55-16 in front for now....i had a chance to measure intake air temps again,i had relocated the misting nozzle to the pre-turbo inlet,,its a small  hollow cone spray pattern nozzle which is aimed straight at the impellor ...115 deg F is the idle air temp with the car fully warmed,after a 10psi run the temp dropped to 93 deg F...ambient air temp were around 75 deg...i am HEET in the yellow bottle,which is meth-alcohol.

vg30e_x2_200sxJun 28, 2009, 1:31 pm · #388
mc ..i picked up some wider rear tires..225-50-16"..i'll keep the 205-55-16 in front for now....i had a chance to measure intake air temps again,i had relocated the misting nozzle to the pre-turbo inlet,,its a small hollow cone spray pattern nozzle which is aimed straight at the impellor ...115 deg F is the idle air temp with the car fully warmed,after a 10psi run the temp dropped to 93 deg F...ambient air temp were around 75 deg...i am (using??) HEET in the yellow bottle,which is meth-alcohol.
seishukuJun 28, 2009, 6:29 pm · #389

I thought HEET was isopropyl alcohol, which will work, but not as well as methanol.

mcJun 28, 2009, 8:01 pm · #390
seishukuI thought HEET was isopropyl alcohol, which will work, but not as well as methanol.
..its 98% methanol[yellow bottle]...easy to find at Walmart,ect....i believe the red bottle of HEET is mostly isopropyl alcohol.
seishukuJun 28, 2009, 8:24 pm · #391

Ah yes, that's right... Normally I wouldn't use that, since -20deg washer fluid has the right mix I need.

mcJun 28, 2009, 8:48 pm · #392
seishukuAh yes, that's right... Normally I wouldn't use that, since -20deg washer fluid has the right mix I need.
yeah,i use the blue washer fluid if the Heet is sold out.
vg30e_x2_200sxJun 29, 2009, 5:06 pm · #393

So how many Camaros and Mustangs have you pissed off?

mcJul 7, 2009, 10:04 pm · #394

it does ok,some better than others...i want to race that 442..I never see those anymore..very nice!

mcJul 11, 2009, 9:00 am · #395

..i made this video of a second and third gear pull..8psi
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mcJul 18, 2009, 8:44 am · #396

took on the other side strut install yesterday...second time was alot easier because i disassembled the brake parts,,,made it easier to work with on/off the car...car handles really nice.
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vg30e_x2_200sxJul 18, 2009, 5:54 pm · #397
mc it does ok,some better than others...i want to race that 442..I never see those anymore..very nice!


 

LOL! Well unfortunatly you happen to be on the WRONG side of the country for that!!!

mcJul 22, 2009, 11:28 am · #398

video..M1 Misting nozzle being tested...mounted on the pre-turbo inlet.
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FrankensteinZ31Aug 2, 2009, 12:29 am · #399

wow...just wow.  It took me like 2 hours to read this and look at the links and I am really considering ditching my z31 project and boost my s12.  I already have so much stuff to boost it with.  The stock turbo injectors and 460cc injectors from an rx7.  3 turbo ecus and 1 that has nistune on it along with a the turbo z31 maf.  lc-1 wideband and gauge.  new 6 puck clutch and 2600lbs pressure plate. and and hx35w holset turbo..but I would run a stock t3 turbo.

looking for a t3 as we speak!

FrankensteinZ31Aug 2, 2009, 6:36 pm · #400

Could u just have an oil reservoir in the back that the electric pump connects too then you wouldn't have to take oil from the engine all the way back to the turbo?  Would you need 2 pumps?  Or if you had the turbo gravity supplied with oil would you be able to mount the reservoir above the turbo and run a line to it then pump the oil out?  Just trying to get some more ideas